Comments on: Truth and lies - Tibet and Iraq http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/ China and Other things Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:44:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Kiffer http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-35630 Kiffer Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:59:17 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-35630 I'm Chinese, and I'm too so sicked and tired of people's crazy about the Free TB thing. I heard that genocide was reported, civilians got killed, tibetans were oppressed, local cultural was eliminated, people there living a horrible life...whatever. I don't feel qualified to judge what's really happening out there as I haven't there, and all the info and news I can get my hands on, both at home and abroad, don't seem very credible either. I remined unconvinced but what can I do. Maybe selecting parts of reports from both sides at random and cram them together will produce the most unbaised and balanced picture. To get back to my point, I just don't understand why people are so obsessed with the "Free Tibet" thing, I get this impression from forums, blogs, random comments, even from my online gaming experience in a US based MMORPG. People are so involved, although few of them are really Tibetans.(I assume few local tibetans speak native-levle English) Hearing people yelling this stuff is not fun; it's way too boring. Why do you care, in the name of democracy or out of sincere huamnian intention? And some of them are so dedicated and involved physically, there're many Free TB website there, calling people's attention and participation, raising funds, etc. They also demonstrate against nothing. This is because if you demostrate abroad, you're not calling China's attention, if you do it in China, you get yourself detained. And Chinese people, I can say for sure, the majority of them, won't feel symphathy for you. Those activitists can just get a job, and if they do, spend more time on things that matter most to them. And I'm going so far as to say there's just little you can do about it. Why not devote more efforts and time to more valualbe things? Free tibet? Let's face it, we all know that it can't possibly happen. I believe there're people who are going to say, you said this, in cold blood. And the indifference and inaction of Chinese people like you are contributing to what all have been happending in China. But again, what are you going to do about it? If you're not satisfied with something, change it, or LIVE WITH it. There's no middle way. And setting up stupid websites (this one is pretty good one though) is not going to help. I’m Chinese, and I’m too so sicked and tired of people’s crazy about the Free TB thing.

I heard that genocide was reported, civilians got killed, tibetans were oppressed, local cultural was eliminated, people there living a horrible life…whatever. I don’t feel qualified to judge what’s really happening out there as I haven’t there, and all the info and news I can get my hands on, both at home and abroad, don’t seem very credible either.
I remined unconvinced but what can I do. Maybe selecting parts of reports from both sides at random and cram them together will produce the most unbaised and balanced picture.

To get back to my point, I just don’t understand why people are so obsessed with the “Free Tibet” thing, I get this impression from forums, blogs, random comments, even from my online gaming experience in a US based MMORPG.

People are so involved, although few of them are really Tibetans.(I assume few local tibetans speak native-levle English) Hearing people yelling this stuff is not fun; it’s way too boring.

Why do you care, in the name of democracy or out of sincere huamnian intention?

And some of them are so dedicated and involved physically, there’re many Free TB website there, calling people’s attention and participation, raising funds, etc. They also demonstrate against nothing. This is because if you demostrate abroad, you’re not calling China’s attention, if you do it in China, you get yourself detained. And Chinese people, I can say for sure, the majority of them, won’t feel symphathy for you.

Those activitists can just get a job, and if they do, spend more time on things that matter most to them.

And I’m going so far as to say there’s just little you can do about it. Why not devote more efforts and time to more valualbe things? Free tibet? Let’s face it, we all know that it can’t possibly happen.

I believe there’re people who are going to say, you said this, in cold blood. And the indifference and inaction of Chinese people like you are contributing to what all have been happending in China.

But again, what are you going to do about it? If you’re not satisfied with something, change it, or LIVE WITH it. There’s no middle way. And setting up stupid websites (this one is pretty good one though) is not going to help.

]]> By: walker~ http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-6852 walker~ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:51:06 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-6852 I'm in china,i know what happend ..but when i scaned the papers,i was mad..they who exactly don't know what happend used their one-side opinion to show to their readers.... How many normal citizens were killed there?! if that is peace,i have nothing to say~! I’m in china,i know what happend ..but when i scaned the papers,i was mad..they who exactly don’t know what happend used their one-side opinion to show to their readers….
How many normal citizens were killed there?! if that is peace,i have nothing to say~!

]]> By: Simon Says http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-5933 Simon Says Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:35:21 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-5933 Pffefer, I hear what you are saying. I was under the impression that the Chinese government was well within its rights to send in the Chinese Military considering that: 1) The "peaceful" protests turned into a full out rebellion 2) Innocent Chinese civilians were brutally murdered and not in the name of indepedence, but of ethnic hatred How would any nation be expected to react? Pffefer, I hear what you are saying. I was under the impression that the Chinese government was well within its rights to send in the Chinese Military considering that:
1) The “peaceful” protests turned into a full out rebellion
2) Innocent Chinese civilians were brutally murdered and not in the name of indepedence, but of ethnic hatred

How would any nation be expected to react?

]]> By: Pffefer http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3348 Pffefer Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:50:55 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3348 Bob, I am well aware of the free Tibet cause, where they come from and where the Chinese come from. But I was referring to specifically the crack down. What did the Chinese government do wrong? Bob, I am well aware of the free Tibet cause, where they come from and where the Chinese come from. But I was referring to specifically the crack down. What did the Chinese government do wrong?

]]> By: Bob http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3342 Bob Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:02:26 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3342 Pffefer, you're right, it's not an excuse to mislead people! It is perhaps the main reason for the confusion - few newspapers would use images from Nepal if they had journalists in Tibet. If you want to know what the fuss is about, I suggest you Google 'free tibet' and read a little about the people making all of 'the fuss'. Pffefer, you’re right, it’s not an excuse to mislead people! It is perhaps the main reason for the confusion - few newspapers would use images from Nepal if they had journalists in Tibet.

If you want to know what the fuss is about, I suggest you Google ‘free tibet’ and read a little about the people making all of ‘the fuss’.

]]> By: Pffefer http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3154 Pffefer Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:06:17 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3154 Bob, not being able to capture Chinese police beating Tibetans (how do you know it really happened?) is no excuse for misleading readers with pictures of Indian and Nepalese police arresting Tibetan protesters. Seriously, what is the fuss about? What did the Chinese government do wrong? Bob, not being able to capture Chinese police beating Tibetans (how do you know it really happened?) is no excuse for misleading readers with pictures of Indian and Nepalese police arresting Tibetan protesters.

Seriously, what is the fuss about? What did the Chinese government do wrong?

]]> By: Bob http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3144 Bob Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:06:15 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3144 You've summarised the situation really well. The western media have let themselves down, and it is a real shame because this helps the Chinese government/media defend itself, and deflects attention away from the real issues. In some ways it seems that China brings the worst out of the western media, partly because of idiological differences , particularly over freedom of speach, but also because of the difficulties that foreign journalists face in China. The main reason that pictures of Napalese beating Tibetans police have been used is because it has been so difficult/impossible to get pictures of these events from Tibet/China (not because they didn't happen!). You’ve summarised the situation really well. The western media have let themselves down, and it is a real shame because this helps the Chinese government/media defend itself, and deflects attention away from the real issues.

In some ways it seems that China brings the worst out of the western media, partly because of idiological differences , particularly over freedom of speach, but also because of the difficulties that foreign journalists face in China. The main reason that pictures of Napalese beating Tibetans police have been used is because it has been so difficult/impossible to get pictures of these events from Tibet/China (not because they didn’t happen!).

]]> By: Pffefer http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3113 Pffefer Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:22:51 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3113 The problem is, EVERYONE, including the Chinese themselves knows that Chinese media is biased, it is nothing more than the mouthpiece of the Chinese government. EVERYONE knows that. At the same time, EVERYONE, including the Chinese, thought western media was all about facts, truths and being impartial etc., at least that's what they have been bragging about ("Fair and balanced"). What the Chinese found out was that the western media was not much better than the Chinese media after all. And the naive Chinese thought there was no propaganda in the west. How naive. The problem is, EVERYONE, including the Chinese themselves knows that Chinese media is biased, it is nothing more than the mouthpiece of the Chinese government. EVERYONE knows that. At the same time, EVERYONE, including the Chinese, thought western media was all about facts, truths and being impartial etc., at least that’s what they have been bragging about (”Fair and balanced”). What the Chinese found out was that the western media was not much better than the Chinese media after all. And the naive Chinese thought there was no propaganda in the west. How naive.

]]> By: J B http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3023 J B Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:25:26 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-3023 I mostly agree. What I find really upsetting though is CCP's ability to make things out the way they want to be- sure Bush is no better, but Americans don't have to listen to Bush. Westerners can search out the truth, if they want. Chinese have far fewer opportunities to do so. There's more hope for Iraq because of this- there's a good chance the US will have a president who wants to pull out of the war. I'm guessing there's little chance that Xi Jinping isn't going to be making any big changes on Tibet policy. I mostly agree. What I find really upsetting though is CCP’s ability to make things out the way they want to be- sure Bush is no better, but Americans don’t have to listen to Bush. Westerners can search out the truth, if they want. Chinese have far fewer opportunities to do so. There’s more hope for Iraq because of this- there’s a good chance the US will have a president who wants to pull out of the war. I’m guessing there’s little chance that Xi Jinping isn’t going to be making any big changes on Tibet policy.

]]> By: ChinaTibet.org http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-2990 ChinaTibet.org Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:43:24 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/03/21/truth-and-lies-tibet-and-iraq/#comment-2990 Highly agree with your comments on different views possessed by different parties. The problems are who will voice the non-biased real truth, and can it be heard? Highly agree with your comments on different views possessed by different parties. The problems are who will voice the non-biased real truth, and can it be heard?

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