Comments on: Separatism and Tibet http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/ China and Other things Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:49:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Marko http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-117691 Marko Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:05:32 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-117691 This is indeed a helpful article. The real truth is certainly somewhere between PRC and DL truths, but not necessarily in the middle. I am however disappointed by comments from PRC apologist here. Why bringing up US or Canada examples? Most of us, people concerned about the future of Tibet, are neither American nor Canadian. Moreover, if you are looking for really bad examples, try France. Their minorities - Basque and Breton - have absolutely no rights, even worse than China. And why not bringing up good examples - like Spain - instead? Spain allowed three regions with Basque majority to form Basque country with broad authonomy and self-rule, in which Basque language is official language. Despite the fact that some Basque extremists are laying bombs around. Similar development is going on in Catalonian-Valencian areas. Great Britain is also a good example. Contrary to the popular belief, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish (where protestants compose majority of population) have a broad autonomy and self-rule. Much broader than the autonomy of TAR. This is indeed a helpful article. The real truth is certainly somewhere between PRC and DL truths, but not necessarily in the middle.

I am however disappointed by comments from PRC apologist here. Why bringing up US or Canada examples? Most of us, people concerned about the future of Tibet, are neither American nor Canadian. Moreover, if you are looking for really bad examples, try France. Their minorities - Basque and Breton - have absolutely no rights, even worse than China.

And why not bringing up good examples - like Spain - instead? Spain allowed three regions with Basque majority to form Basque country with broad authonomy and self-rule, in which Basque language is official language. Despite the fact that some Basque extremists are laying bombs around. Similar development is going on in Catalonian-Valencian areas. Great Britain is also a good example. Contrary to the popular belief, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish (where protestants compose majority of population) have a broad autonomy and self-rule. Much broader than the autonomy of TAR.

]]> By: RichardT http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-96759 RichardT Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:25:19 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-96759 I would just like to ask some of the major countries: Canadian: If you agree that Tibet should be seperated from China, then i think that you should not object to Quebec seperating from canada either American:The Natives have recieved many wrongs at the hands of your forefathers, why shouldn't they be allowed to form another nation? English: Let the Irish form their independant country too! Remember, in Unity there is strenght, the western countries only wanted Tibet seperated so as to weaken China's rising power... feel free to object but give good reasons I would just like to ask some of the major countries:
Canadian: If you agree that Tibet should be seperated from China, then i think that you should not object to Quebec seperating from canada either
American:The Natives have recieved many wrongs at the hands of your forefathers, why shouldn’t they be allowed to form another nation?
English: Let the Irish form their independant country too!
Remember, in Unity there is strenght, the western countries only wanted Tibet seperated so as to weaken China’s rising power… feel free to object but give good reasons

]]> By: Protests in Tibeet and Separatism: The Olympics and Beyond @ Balanced China http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-92989 Protests in Tibeet and Separatism: The Olympics and Beyond @ Balanced China Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:47:22 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-92989 [...] read the article, please follow the link. Comments [0]Digg [...] […] read the article, please follow the link. Comments [0]Digg […]

]]> By: 123ppl http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-81398 123ppl Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:50:16 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-81398 The funny thing is that even this article would be banned in china. It would be censored because it openly states the opposing points of view. Discussion/debate is not allowed in china. The funny thing is that even this article would be banned in china. It would be censored because it openly states the opposing points of view. Discussion/debate is not allowed in china.

]]> By: nameless1 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-81396 nameless1 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:30:34 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-81396 "Many of those involved in arson, looting, and ethnic-based beatings are also likely to have been unemployed young men." And why are they unemployed? Because in Tibet ALL JOBS AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS GO ONLY TO THE CHINESE. Tibetans are left with nothing, and are made to be second-class citizens in their own country. “Many of those involved in arson, looting, and ethnic-based beatings are also likely to have been unemployed young men.”

And why are they unemployed? Because in Tibet ALL JOBS AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS GO ONLY TO THE CHINESE. Tibetans are left with nothing, and are made to be second-class citizens in their own country.

]]> By: To MAJ: in reply to his idea of “verifiable empirical research” on Tibet « Under the Jacaranda Tree http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-80567 To MAJ: in reply to his idea of “verifiable empirical research” on Tibet « Under the Jacaranda Tree Sun, 31 May 2009 10:38:25 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-80567 [...] Han chauvinism in China.  When it comes to the 3.14 incident in Lhasa and the Dalai Lama though, Sautman’s position is very much in line with those of the CCP official line.  Even so, it will not deter me from [...] […] Han chauvinism in China.  When it comes to the 3.14 incident in Lhasa and the Dalai Lama though, Sautman’s position is very much in line with those of the CCP official line.  Even so, it will not deter me from […]

]]> By: Under the Jacaranda Tree http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-80566 Under the Jacaranda Tree Sun, 31 May 2009 10:36:08 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-80566 [...] Han chauvinism in China.  When it comes to the 3.14 incident in Lhasa and the Dalai Lama though, Sautman’s position is very much in line with those of the CCP official line.  Even so, it will not deter me from [...] […] Han chauvinism in China.  When it comes to the 3.14 incident in Lhasa and the Dalai Lama though, Sautman’s position is very much in line with those of the CCP official line.  Even so, it will not deter me from […]

]]> By: 像M.A.Jones那样去战斗 « 收拾起大地山河一担装 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-36707 像M.A.Jones那样去战斗 « 收拾起大地山河一担装 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:06:25 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-36707 [...] Protests in Tibet and Separatism: the Olympics and Beyond (by Barry Sautman) [...] […] Protests in Tibet and Separatism: the Olympics and Beyond (by Barry Sautman) […]

]]> By: justrecently http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-12169 justrecently Sat, 31 May 2008 09:57:06 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-12169 I'd like to come back to the discussion between amban and tarinxx3 about education in Tibetan language. Just an interesting thought: when Chinese people want development, they attract funds by themselves. I think it is easy to agree that the Tibetans don't have a genuine say in the matters of their Autonomous Region. Don't get me wrong: denying people their own language is nothing new - England practiced it only a bit more than 100 years ago, in places as close to Europe as WALES. But to those who want to create awareness of the "complexity of the situation", I suggest that you acknowledge that the responsibility of existing problems there rest with the Chinese government. With whom else? It is Chinese territory. I’d like to come back to the discussion between amban and tarinxx3 about education in Tibetan language. Just an interesting thought: when Chinese people want development, they attract funds by themselves. I think it is easy to agree that the Tibetans don’t have a genuine say in the matters of their Autonomous Region. Don’t get me wrong: denying people their own language is nothing new - England practiced it only a bit more than 100 years ago, in places as close to Europe as WALES. But to those who want to create awareness of the “complexity of the situation”, I suggest that you acknowledge that the responsibility of existing problems there rest with the Chinese government. With whom else? It is Chinese territory.

]]> By: TIT http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-10547 TIT Sat, 24 May 2008 07:39:41 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/#comment-10547 Sorry, these essay and comments are far less interesting than others (I just read half of the comments). No genuine , solid points made by both side. I would recommend a forum called "China from inside" and post written by M.A. Jones.The speakers are largely foreign high-educated citizens living in China.Tense debate exsit there too. Generally, from my angle , more people consider Chinese efforts beneficial.There are some NGO menbers that are backing Dalai Lama.Their replies, however , raise more problems but few really stand. In this very complex field , I suggest to trust not in goverments , presses or NGOs but in independent scholars and historian. By the way , the author of this post is discussed but yet not highly respect in that forum. Sorry, these essay and comments are far less interesting than others (I just read half of the comments). No genuine , solid points made by both side.
I would recommend a forum called “China from inside” and post written by M.A. Jones.The speakers are largely foreign high-educated citizens living in China.Tense debate exsit there too.
Generally, from my angle , more people consider Chinese efforts beneficial.There are some NGO menbers that are backing Dalai Lama.Their replies, however , raise more problems but few really stand.

In this very complex field , I suggest to trust not in goverments , presses or NGOs but in independent scholars and historian. By the way , the author of this post is discussed but yet not highly respect in that forum.

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