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	<title>Comments on: Could foreign rescue teams have saved more lives?</title>
	<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-15553</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, more teams should equal more lives saved. There is a problem with rescue teams setting off without having things set for them to arrive. It is a balance between being practical and being ready to help as soon as possible, as in the UK team. In a disaster most people expect a government to welcome you in to help but as we have seen paranoid governments don't think that way. It is a judgment call by the groups and when your purpose is hands on rescue, thinking about sending the money to another organization is not your first thought and possibly not allowed.

The other problem is people using it for their own gain and all you can do is only let a few large, well known organizations in, let no one in or let everyone in and kick out the bad ones (or put them on trial) when you catch them. There is no regulation committee for this, so all you can really do is point out the bad ones to the world.

The USA and Katrina was an example of ego gone wrong and the problem with President Bush, but a different issue from China and Burma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, more teams should equal more lives saved. There is a problem with rescue teams setting off without having things set for them to arrive. It is a balance between being practical and being ready to help as soon as possible, as in the UK team. In a disaster most people expect a government to welcome you in to help but as we have seen paranoid governments don&#8217;t think that way. It is a judgment call by the groups and when your purpose is hands on rescue, thinking about sending the money to another organization is not your first thought and possibly not allowed.</p>
<p>The other problem is people using it for their own gain and all you can do is only let a few large, well known organizations in, let no one in or let everyone in and kick out the bad ones (or put them on trial) when you catch them. There is no regulation committee for this, so all you can really do is point out the bad ones to the world.</p>
<p>The USA and Katrina was an example of ego gone wrong and the problem with President Bush, but a different issue from China and Burma.</p>
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		<title>By: Del3</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-13595</link>
		<dc:creator>Del3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-13595</guid>
		<description>I'm sure the person who died under the rubble after holding on for 3 days is glad to know you pointy heads are debating whether having trained, equiped, and experienced professionals on the seen quickly would have made a difference or not. 

I'd rather listen to opinion of an uneducated but experienced fireman than listen to a bunch of dweebs talk about a subject for their master's thesis that no one will ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the person who died under the rubble after holding on for 3 days is glad to know you pointy heads are debating whether having trained, equiped, and experienced professionals on the seen quickly would have made a difference or not. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather listen to opinion of an uneducated but experienced fireman than listen to a bunch of dweebs talk about a subject for their master&#8217;s thesis that no one will ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: tonytigerballs</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-13534</link>
		<dc:creator>tonytigerballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-13534</guid>
		<description>siegfried - far too sensible a suggestion. as is assessing what kind of assistance/training/equipment they gave the local rescue crews. 

 what we should do is rely on cold hard data and snipe from the sidelines in a bid to prove how us foreigners who are embedded in China are so much more knowledgeable about pretty much anything China related than those on the outside. I mean, what do international rescue groups really know about international rescue? How many of them can even read Chinese? How many of these so-called 'experts' have ever polished the news at CCTV9?

fucking charlatans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>siegfried - far too sensible a suggestion. as is assessing what kind of assistance/training/equipment they gave the local rescue crews. </p>
<p> what we should do is rely on cold hard data and snipe from the sidelines in a bid to prove how us foreigners who are embedded in China are so much more knowledgeable about pretty much anything China related than those on the outside. I mean, what do international rescue groups really know about international rescue? How many of them can even read Chinese? How many of these so-called &#8216;experts&#8217; have ever polished the news at CCTV9?</p>
<p>fucking charlatans.</p>
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		<title>By: siegfried</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11405</link>
		<dc:creator>siegfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11405</guid>
		<description>When assessing the performance of rescue teams, perhaps we should also take into account other crucial factors like the date they flew in , the time they stayed there and other limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When assessing the performance of rescue teams, perhaps we should also take into account other crucial factors like the date they flew in , the time they stayed there and other limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11225</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11225</guid>
		<description>Hi ! I'm a reporter from a newspaper, Correio Braziliense, from Brazil. I'm doing a history about blogs around the world from all kind of places, especially about young people who tell how the situatinos is in their cities, neighborhood and countries. I would love to talk to you for an interview via e-mail or phone, whaterver you like best.
 
Well, thank you very much! Hope to hear from you soon!
 
Tatiana Sabadini

www.correiobraziliense.com.br</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ! I&#8217;m a reporter from a newspaper, Correio Braziliense, from Brazil. I&#8217;m doing a history about blogs around the world from all kind of places, especially about young people who tell how the situatinos is in their cities, neighborhood and countries. I would love to talk to you for an interview via e-mail or phone, whaterver you like best.</p>
<p>Well, thank you very much! Hope to hear from you soon!</p>
<p>Tatiana Sabadini</p>
<p><a href="http://www.correiobraziliense.com.br" rel="nofollow">www.correiobraziliense.com.br</a></p>
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		<title>By: perspectivehere</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11214</link>
		<dc:creator>perspectivehere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11214</guid>
		<description>Those who assume that all foreign rescue volunteers are qualified and pure of motive should be realistic.  Not everyone who volunteers to help is necessarily motivated by pure altruism or qualified to take effective action. 

For example, this article about the tsunami in Thailand points out how aid workers can "add to disasters"  by carrying out questionable religious-related activities (such as the Scientologists) or incompetent vaccinations:    
http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/credib/2005/1005tsunami.htm

This piece by investigative journalist John Pilger takes an more cynical look at the motivations and impact of foreign aid in Cambodia:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/May05/Pilger0526.htm

"‘Join the aid community. Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people. And make a killing.’”

Roughly half of all aid to Cambodia is spent on “technical assistance”, or TA. Between 1999 and 2003, this amounted to 1.2bn dollars. What is TA? It is an invasion of “international advisors” on whom up to 70m dollars was spent in 2003 alone. Add to them “international consultants”, who each cost more than 159,000 dollars. By contrast, the cost of a genuine foreign aid worker in a truly independent NGO is less than 45,000 dollars, and the cost of recruiting a Cambodian expert is an eighth of this.

More than 740 foreigner advisers and experts earn nearly as much as 160,000 Cambodian civil servants, who get as little as 25 dollars a month. In many ministries, the pay of foreign advisers exceeds the entire annual budget. It is more than twice the budget of the agricultural ministry and four times that of the justice ministry.

Foreign aid workers constantly complain about local corruption, often justifiably. But they rarely identify and measure their own legitimized corruption. “There has been no systematic analysis of the effectiveness of TA in Cambodia,” says ActionAid. “Government of Cambodia officials [have] suggested that this is because donors don't want to recognize the ineffectiveness of their aid.”

This is not to take anything away from genuinely qualified and effective groups such as Doctors Without Borders.  It's just that people should not immediately assume that foreign aid workers will be the most appropriate solution in all cases.

Adam Sweet expresses his heartfelt and no doubt genuine sentiment; sadly however, this sentiment and good will is not shared by all and does not always translate into effective action.

Clearly there needs to be some kind of vetting process to make sure that the volunteer rescue teams are competent, qualified and adequately equipped.  It would be irresponsible of the authorities to allow in volunteers who may become a danger to themselves and others.  

First do no harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who assume that all foreign rescue volunteers are qualified and pure of motive should be realistic.  Not everyone who volunteers to help is necessarily motivated by pure altruism or qualified to take effective action. </p>
<p>For example, this article about the tsunami in Thailand points out how aid workers can &#8220;add to disasters&#8221;  by carrying out questionable religious-related activities (such as the Scientologists) or incompetent vaccinations:<br />
<a href="http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/credib/2005/1005tsunami.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/credib/2005/1005tsunami.htm</a></p>
<p>This piece by investigative journalist John Pilger takes an more cynical look at the motivations and impact of foreign aid in Cambodia:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/May05/Pilger0526.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/May05/Pilger0526.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;‘Join the aid community. Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people. And make a killing.’”</p>
<p>Roughly half of all aid to Cambodia is spent on “technical assistance”, or TA. Between 1999 and 2003, this amounted to 1.2bn dollars. What is TA? It is an invasion of “international advisors” on whom up to 70m dollars was spent in 2003 alone. Add to them “international consultants”, who each cost more than 159,000 dollars. By contrast, the cost of a genuine foreign aid worker in a truly independent NGO is less than 45,000 dollars, and the cost of recruiting a Cambodian expert is an eighth of this.</p>
<p>More than 740 foreigner advisers and experts earn nearly as much as 160,000 Cambodian civil servants, who get as little as 25 dollars a month. In many ministries, the pay of foreign advisers exceeds the entire annual budget. It is more than twice the budget of the agricultural ministry and four times that of the justice ministry.</p>
<p>Foreign aid workers constantly complain about local corruption, often justifiably. But they rarely identify and measure their own legitimized corruption. “There has been no systematic analysis of the effectiveness of TA in Cambodia,” says ActionAid. “Government of Cambodia officials [have] suggested that this is because donors don&#8217;t want to recognize the ineffectiveness of their aid.”</p>
<p>This is not to take anything away from genuinely qualified and effective groups such as Doctors Without Borders.  It&#8217;s just that people should not immediately assume that foreign aid workers will be the most appropriate solution in all cases.</p>
<p>Adam Sweet expresses his heartfelt and no doubt genuine sentiment; sadly however, this sentiment and good will is not shared by all and does not always translate into effective action.</p>
<p>Clearly there needs to be some kind of vetting process to make sure that the volunteer rescue teams are competent, qualified and adequately equipped.  It would be irresponsible of the authorities to allow in volunteers who may become a danger to themselves and others.  </p>
<p>First do no harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11178</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 08:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11178</guid>
		<description>Let's also not forget that the American Government refused foreign rescue teams after Katrina, and in some cases foreign groups that wanted to help risked arrest if they came anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that the American Government refused foreign rescue teams after Katrina, and in some cases foreign groups that wanted to help risked arrest if they came anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Adam Chuter</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11160</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Adam Chuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11160</guid>
		<description>Sorry 'tonytigerballs' (Mike?). I think you have misunderstood the point Rob was making. He was simply suggesting that GBP30,000 was a lot of money to spend in order to send an apparently ineffectual rescue team to Hong Kong without even securing Chinese mainland visas. If the statistics in Rob's article are accurate then it may be true to say that money donated to such rescue organisations could be better spent. He's making constructive criticism not idiotic comments. These rescue groups should be held accountable for the money donated to them. Perhaps the six UK groups mentioned could combine their efforts. However it would be interesting to review there success in different disaster situations before making any more judgments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8216;tonytigerballs&#8217; (Mike?). I think you have misunderstood the point Rob was making. He was simply suggesting that GBP30,000 was a lot of money to spend in order to send an apparently ineffectual rescue team to Hong Kong without even securing Chinese mainland visas. If the statistics in Rob&#8217;s article are accurate then it may be true to say that money donated to such rescue organisations could be better spent. He&#8217;s making constructive criticism not idiotic comments. These rescue groups should be held accountable for the money donated to them. Perhaps the six UK groups mentioned could combine their efforts. However it would be interesting to review there success in different disaster situations before making any more judgments.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11157</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 05:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11157</guid>
		<description>Thank you mike for changing your pseudonym.   As for the time machine, that is clearly not what I was trying to say. My point is that jetting around the world for a dramatic search and rescue that will probably rescue no one is not really very useful to anyone. It gets media coverage, but it's irrelevant to the real rescue and relief operations which are carried out by local people. Help is certainly welcome. There are better ways to offer that help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you mike for changing your pseudonym.   As for the time machine, that is clearly not what I was trying to say. My point is that jetting around the world for a dramatic search and rescue that will probably rescue no one is not really very useful to anyone. It gets media coverage, but it&#8217;s irrelevant to the real rescue and relief operations which are carried out by local people. Help is certainly welcome. There are better ways to offer that help.</p>
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		<title>By: tonytigerballs</title>
		<link>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11140</link>
		<dc:creator>tonytigerballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 01:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/05/25/could-foreign-rescue-teams-have-saved-more-people/#comment-11140</guid>
		<description>"But… The International Rescue Corps says it spent 30,000 pounds sterling getting to Hong Kong. How many lives could have been saved if that money had been spent differently? I don’t know. One single building in Sichuan built to higher standards would have saved more lives than several hundred foreign search and rescue workers."

well that makes a whole load of sense. Instead of spending 30K to try and help out in some way, the IRC should have invented a time machine, gone back to 2001 and invested that money in building schools that can stand up to an earthquake. what an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But… The International Rescue Corps says it spent 30,000 pounds sterling getting to Hong Kong. How many lives could have been saved if that money had been spent differently? I don’t know. One single building in Sichuan built to higher standards would have saved more lives than several hundred foreign search and rescue workers.&#8221;</p>
<p>well that makes a whole load of sense. Instead of spending 30K to try and help out in some way, the IRC should have invented a time machine, gone back to 2001 and invested that money in building schools that can stand up to an earthquake. what an idiot.</p>
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