Comments on: Before Urumqi: the 2002 needle attacks in Tianjin and Beijing http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/ China and Other things Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:39:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Doubter http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95730 Doubter Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:52:10 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95730 More @Uln: The needles were not infected. Psychological terrorism is another form of terrorism. Remember the white powder being mailed around during the anthrax scares in the US? That was terrorism too, even though no one died from it. Terrorism means "causing fear." I would be pretty damn scared if someone random pricked me with a needle, whether it was infected or not. More @Uln: The needles were not infected. Psychological terrorism is another form of terrorism. Remember the white powder being mailed around during the anthrax scares in the US? That was terrorism too, even though no one died from it.

Terrorism means “causing fear.” I would be pretty damn scared if someone random pricked me with a needle, whether it was infected or not.

]]> By: Doubter http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95728 Doubter Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:49:31 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95728 @Uln whether it makes sense to *you* or not, it's true, so accept it. @Rob you admit that at least 171 had actual needle marks, and can't come up with any data to support how many were attacked in Tianjin and Beijing. No matter how much you scream and yell about it, these two cases are totally different, aside from the fact that they both have something to do with needle attacks. This is not *just* hysteria. People are getting pricked with needles, and it's not just Chinese media reporting that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8254278.stm @Uln whether it makes sense to *you* or not, it’s true, so accept it.

@Rob you admit that at least 171 had actual needle marks, and can’t come up with any data to support how many were attacked in Tianjin and Beijing. No matter how much you scream and yell about it, these two cases are totally different, aside from the fact that they both have something to do with needle attacks.

This is not *just* hysteria. People are getting pricked with needles, and it’s not just Chinese media reporting that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8254278.stm

]]> By: Uln http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95618 Uln Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:39:41 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95618 Good one, Rob. I suspected that it was all hysteria, and now I am completely sure. @doubter - Sorry, it simply does not make sense for a terrorist attack to use needles. Why would they through the trouble of: 1- Finding enough infected needles, which can be then easily backtracked. 2- Carrying around the needles and providing the perfect evidence for the police. 3- At the moment of the attack, leaving the victim perfectly alive and in good shape to kick their ass, and later to identify them. Good one, Rob. I suspected that it was all hysteria, and now I am completely sure.

@doubter - Sorry, it simply does not make sense for a terrorist attack to use needles. Why would they through the trouble of:

1- Finding enough infected needles, which can be then easily backtracked.
2- Carrying around the needles and providing the perfect evidence for the police.
3- At the moment of the attack, leaving the victim perfectly alive and in good shape to kick their ass, and later to identify them.

]]> By: David http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95499 David Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:50:52 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95499 I am still trying to figure out where all these needles came from so quickly and who coordinated the 100+ people to go around stabbing 100+ other people. That type of action requires some real organization, it isn't just coincidence or a bunch of kids. Which leads me back to hysteria... I am still trying to figure out where all these needles came from so quickly and who coordinated the 100+ people to go around stabbing 100+ other people.

That type of action requires some real organization, it isn’t just coincidence or a bunch of kids.

Which leads me back to hysteria…

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]]> By: Global Voices Online » China: the 2002 needle attacks in Tianjin and Beijing http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95366 Global Voices Online » China: the 2002 needle attacks in Tianjin and Beijing Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:47:56 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95366 [...] rob people is not a new phenomena in China and rest of the world. The blogger reminded readers of two needle attack cases back in 2002 in Tianjin and Beijing, of course the former two cases had not resulted in a hysteria as in the case of Urumqi. [...] […] rob people is not a new phenomena in China and rest of the world. The blogger reminded readers of two needle attack cases back in 2002 in Tianjin and Beijing, of course the former two cases had not resulted in a hysteria as in the case of Urumqi. […]

]]> By: rob http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95359 rob Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:01:44 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95359 @Doubter, the number is far less certain that that. According to official announcements, from mid-August until September 4, 531 people went to hospitals in Urumqi reporting that they had been pricked. Of these, 171 had actual needle marks. Tianjin and Beijing also had real incidents, though I don't know how many. The number may or may not be higher in Urumqi, but I would <i>guess</i> that false cases would be greater there because the city is already traumatized. @Doubter, the number is far less certain that that. According to official announcements, from mid-August until September 4, 531 people went to hospitals in Urumqi reporting that they had been pricked. Of these, 171 had actual needle marks.

Tianjin and Beijing also had real incidents, though I don’t know how many. The number may or may not be higher in Urumqi, but I would guess that false cases would be greater there because the city is already traumatized.

]]> By: Doubter http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95358 Doubter Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:38:37 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95358 "The difference between these cities is that Tianjin and Beijing were not already on a knife edge when the rumors began." The other very important difference is that this time, 476 people have *actually been pricked by hypodermic needles*. It's not "just" hysteria, although there's plenty of that too. “The difference between these cities is that Tianjin and Beijing were not already on a knife edge when the rumors began.”

The other very important difference is that this time, 476 people have *actually been pricked by hypodermic needles*. It’s not “just” hysteria, although there’s plenty of that too.

]]> By: Porfiriy http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95355 Porfiriy Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:58:26 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95355 It's also worth noting that a hysterical connection in the minds of Han Chinese between AIDS and malicious Uyghurs is also not new. In March of 2008 China Mobile sent out a "health" <a href="http://liuzhou.blog-city.com/aids_kebabs.htm" rel="nofollow">text message warning people that AIDS was being spread through kebabs</a> throughout China, which, as we all know, are mostly manned by Uyghurs. I don't have it on hand but I recall seeing a video where Han Chinese being interviewed by reporters vowed they would never eat kebabs or in some instances food from Uyghurs again. Of course, the rumor was bunk, and even if someone wanted to spread AIDS through kebabs it would be scientifically impossible, barring stabbing an AIDS infected person with a skewer and then stabbing someone else in the following five seconds. It’s also worth noting that a hysterical connection in the minds of Han Chinese between AIDS and malicious Uyghurs is also not new. In March of 2008 China Mobile sent out a “health” text message warning people that AIDS was being spread through kebabs throughout China, which, as we all know, are mostly manned by Uyghurs. I don’t have it on hand but I recall seeing a video where Han Chinese being interviewed by reporters vowed they would never eat kebabs or in some instances food from Uyghurs again. Of course, the rumor was bunk, and even if someone wanted to spread AIDS through kebabs it would be scientifically impossible, barring stabbing an AIDS infected person with a skewer and then stabbing someone else in the following five seconds.

]]> By: More on “Needling” http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95353 More on “Needling” Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:05:05 +0000 http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/09/14/before-urumqi-the-2002-needle-attacks-in-tianjin-and-beijing/#comment-95353 [...] in 2002, and that information comes via Black and White Cat, who does a great job of translating a Southern Weekend piece from January 24, 2002, entitled Investigation into the “Tianjin AIDS needle-stabbing” incidents. Reporters noticed [...] […] in 2002, and that information comes via Black and White Cat, who does a great job of translating a Southern Weekend piece from January 24, 2002, entitled Investigation into the “Tianjin AIDS needle-stabbing” incidents. Reporters noticed […]

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