Actually during the Tang dynasty of china. Tibet and China had established their borders. Princess Wencheng (13 years old) was married to king songtsan of tibet as part of diplomatic settlement that established the boundaries of Tibet and China.

you do realise the title of spiritual and temporal leader of tibet, was given to the dalai lamas by a MONGOLIAN emperor (ALTAN KHAN)? dont you? (Google it)
CHINA and Tibet were NOT independent nations during the Mongol rule (”yuan”). When Mongol Power collapsed, so did its rule over these countries therefore China and Tibet became Independent countries again.
(google maps of Ming dynasty,mongolia and tibet are not in there).
and during the “Qing Dynasty” the MANCHURIAN Empire had power over Both China and Tibet.
MANCHURIANS were not chinese. Half of Manchuria is in RUSSIA today.
When the Manchurian power (Qing)collapsed in 1911, China and Tibet became independent nations once again.
your lack of historical knowledge is depressing (google MANCHURIA or MANCHUKUO)
even though tibet was illegally occupied in the 1950s, what matters is Tibet is inside China TODAY and people should all work together bor a Better future for China and its people.

you also do realise that the dalai lama has been calling for Genuine Autonomy since he recieved the nobel prize over 20 years ago (and not just 10 years), dont you?
look up the five point peace plan.

nice attempt at demonizing a monk who is merely trying to bring ACTUAL freedom to his people.

you see videos like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUGAEOsEL4g

and then realize why the dalai lama wants GENUINE autonomy for tibetans.

This is you CARL:

“While human rights abuses should be deplored and addressed, there will always be times to resort to the convenience of abuses to achieve its strategic goal”

Human Rights Abuses should NEVER be convenient. that’s that.

“The Chinese leadership, I will still say they are the best crop of leaders today (if you take your ideology out)”

If you take the KILLING out of MURDER, then murder is not such a bad thing is it?

“BEST CROP OF LEADERS”
they are definitely the best leaders, for:
1)persecuting, imprisoning and torturing the Falun gong because the falun gong ideal of “Truth, Compassion & Tolerance” just happened to be different from the governments ideals.
2)imprisoning LIU XIAOBO for preaching democracy and freedom, which just happen to be ideologically different from the CCP.
3)house arresting LIU XIAOBOs wife for being LIU XIAOBOs wife.
4)house arresting AI WEIWEI for having ideals of freedom of speech and practicing it.
5)trying to cover up and ban talks about the TIANANMEN MASSACRE.
(for those who don’t know, the tiananmen massacre was when protests held in 1989 by students calling for democracy were brutally cracked down upon. thousands were killed for having IDEALS different from the governments.)
6)building schools in eastern china that crumbled like sand during the sichuan earthquakes that killed thousands of school children.

not only does CARL show that he doesnt “truly understand the situation and history of tibet”, but he also shows how asenine his idea of “best crop of leaders” is.

a big thank you to CARL for writing the longest and most moronic comment here.

P.S. i am a tibetan and i am for Genuine Autonomy for tibet and not independence. more and more tibetans are For Genuine Autonomy these days, hopefully more and more of my Chinese brethren are for Genuine autonomy too.